Well now he ghosted all of us.
Bro is with god now laughing at vance
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“tell Vance he can schedule any time after Monday”
Guess he never said thank you.
Guess who died for his sins today.
He’s a master of ghosting.
Pope ghosts
Well, that certainly aged. Like milk or wine, I’m not sure.
Wine, it’s pretty funny wording in hindsight.
Dude all but endorsed Trump, called Harris a baby killer. Fuck him and his nonsense organization.
Of course popes have a wonderful history of supporting authoritarian monsters.
Just look up this pope’s history during the Argentinian coup. This isn’t his first rodeo.
The rest of the world should take this approach. If everyone just plain ignored and ghosts the US’s emissaries it would be pretty funny.
Is “ghosts” really the most sensitive word for someone who’s been on deaths door for a while now?
Edit - er. Well. Just seen today’s news.
Holy ghost.
New ghost just dropped
I hate the Vatican but that’s a total mob boss move.
In February, without naming names, the Pope directly refuted a Catholic concept Vance had twisted to justify deportations. Vance had cited ordo amoris—the “order of love”—to argue that Americans should come first.
Francis responded: “Christian love is not a concentric expansion of interests that little by little extend to other persons and groups.”
Vance, acknowledging the rebuke, called himself a “baby Catholic” and admitted, “there are things about the faith that I don’t know.”
Dude, I’m not Catholic at all and I could have told you that. It’s not really complicated to see that Catholic interpretation Jesus would whip you out of the temple.
I’m an apostate and I can say that if you managed to get to the eucharist you should know that when you don’t know something about catholic doctrine you’re supposed to run it up the msgisterium. That’s what they’re there for. Priests go to college for this shit and usually can set you right. If they don’t know they can ask a bishop. If it’s pressing and uncertain the pope may need to make a call. And if a world leader asks it the pope actually might
Even if you aren’t big on Catholicism, do we think Jesus would advocate harming migrants to put yourself first? This is the guy who said the widow person donating two coppers is a exemplary person because they gave everything they had. From a Catholic pov, surely the right move would be to help migrants over enriching yourself.
Supply Side Jesus would. And let’s be honest that’s the Jesus they pretend to follow.
His boss being a rapist felon that never faces consequences let alone justice. And we’re all supposed to turn a blind eye in their world.
Turning a blind eye is the only way conservatism can function.
Guy only has hours left alive, he shouldn’t be cursed to speak to an American fascist cunt.
The Pope couldn’t bear being so close to JD Vance, so he just gave up.
I don’t get the downvotes. My neighbours kid was abused while they had to deal with a psychotic other kid. The perpetrator, a catholic brothe, knew that and exploited the situation. They tried to cover up and denied everything. And that is only one reason to hate them. It was and is endemic. Greetings from catholic south Germany.
Well, they show a lot of compassion and support for all those accused priests.
Could it be claimed that JD killed the pope? Pretty sus that he had a brief meeting and the man was dead hours later.
Queen met Liz Truss and died. JD goes to see the pope and he dies. Pattern around conservatives?
Would be nice if JD political career mirrored Truss.
The Catholic Church has never lived down its association with the last Nazis that rose to power, they aren’t making that mistake again.
“Fuck those guys.” - current Pope.
The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis. A lot of christians were killed by the Nazis because of this. The pope is more like: like: “Fuck, not those guys again”
The catholic church strongly opposed the Nazis
🤣 What??? Holy shit, lack of historical knowledge batman!
Would you like to refute the statement instead of just saying they don’t know what they’re talking about?
I’ll start - Catholics were amongst (there were many) the first groups that the Nazis started targeting. It’s not a coincidence that the intellectuals, the Jews, the Catholics, etc. were also the ones that had some reaallly nice silverware that would look great in the Fuhrer’s country home. If nothing else, Catholics would be acting in their self-interest to oppose the Nazis.
It’s less black and white than either of you guys are implying. You’re taking about Pope Pius XII, who was Pope from 1939 to 1958. He’s credited with saving hundreds of thousands of Jews through various means, including support to the resistance, but also by showing some had been converted/baptized, which in itself was controversial. But he also feared the Nazis were going to win the war and that the church would have to exist in a Nazi world. He never clearly spoke out against the holocaust, and though a lot of the things he said, including his sermons, can be taken as condemnation of Jewish persecution, the language was pretty subtle. Also, Hitler had an envoy secretly meeting with Pius from pretty early on, which many say was bad in itself. Still, he also helped the allies with intelligence, to the point where Hitler accused him of espionage and had plans to kidnap him.
That’s really interesting, thanks! I have no problem with being told I’m wrong, I do have a problem with someone just saying “lol you’re wrong” with no evidence.
Oh, for sure. It’s not an area that I’m an expert in, but your conversation got me curious because I had heard both things, so I read a few articles. One of the interesting things is that the bit about Hitler’s envoy wasn’t broadly known until 2020 when the Vatican released a whole mess of documents that had been kept hidden previously. So there’s maybe more reason for some people to have one impression based on what they grew up hearing, and others to have a different one based on more recent info, but even with the new info it seems nuanced.
It’s easy to fault anyone who didn’t take a clear stand against Hitler from this vantage point, but it must have been hard to be a world leader facing the possibility that Hitler would be successful and you’d have to deal with his empire. Pius XII supported the allies and it’s obvious he was against Hitler, but he was reluctant to be overtly vocal about it, and he even entertained the envoy, which maybe he saw as hedging his bets (we can’t know exactly what he was thinking). It’s for sure stained his legacy.
