They should be corrected but you should correct them and not just tell them that it is only 500years old as it ignores the misunderstanding and avoids having a proper conversation.

Saying “technically capitalism is only 500 years old and human societies are much much older, what exactly do you mean when you say capitalism?” Is encouraging communication, understanding and knowledge seeking.

Saying “it is only 500 years old” sounds like you tell them that it is 500 years old as a theory and not necessarily as a practice. Which is obviously not the point that the person is interested in, as they would be interested in the age of the practice and not theory. So they perceive you as dodging the claim with a distraction. (Important: I am not saying it is older as a practice but that someone could easily understand it as that)

Sorry to be like that but ignorance towards what your conversation partner expresses can only be solved by education. And without proper conversations, no education is possible.

Well, there we have a disagreement. I don’t think people press on like indicates a careful consideration of the argument and understanding of the argument presented. Look at how popular some of e.g. Elon musk’s dumbest posts are.

I am judging the comments as their display some understanding and you are probably right that there is a bias in the dataset.

In the end of the day, my argument boils down to, Do you believe that the average person saying “capitalism is human nature” uses your definition of capitalism? Or that they are just vaguely reference something that they don’t really want to argue?

I don’t know what you are trying to tell me.

Why is the ratio important? Is a anti-capitalism take on .ml being popular evidence for anything that is relevant to my comment or the discussion at large? If I had to guess, I would say you imply that people who up vote understand the difference between trading with currency and capitalism, which I would generally doubt that assumption. People liking trump posts probably don’t understand traffics. You get my point. Additionally, my confusion about the relevance of ratio is properly best highlighted by the fact that my critic was about the meme in general, how that meme gets perceived in e.g. this community is beside the point. Deportation memes are probably well received in trump communities. That doesn’t make them good arguments or an good thing to express. Could you assist me in understanding the relevance?

The second part, I agree with you and I disagree with the statement. Obviously it isn’t without alternatives.

I think this meme is a little unfair. For the sake of this comment, I am assuming that op is 100% correct about his definitions and I want to stress that I don’t claim that “capitalism” is human nature.

Op basically admits in his comments that the general public doesn’t have a good understanding of communism or capitalism and consequently how do define them. E.g. He keeps having to explain the difference between capitalism and trade with currency, highlighting the lack of understanding of what capitalism is.

This should make you question what a person means when they say that capitalism is human nature. Do they mean capitalism or their understanding of it? The answer is obvious.

So what do they mean? Given that people don’t just walk around saying “capitalism is human nature”, it is probably fair to see it as what it attempts to be, a justification. A justification usually follows a critic. And what is that critic? I think it is fair to roughly assume that it is a justification for the usual critic of capitalism. The degradation of human life by encouraging a competitive environment which leads to exploitation and hierarchy. That exploitation is powered by the violence of controlling limited resources.

So the question becomes, could the person saying “capitalism is human nature” mean that humans are competitive hierarchical animals who will use any means to control, oppress and exploit it’s environment, including economical violence. If yes, then the age of capitalism is irrelevant and ancient Rome is probably what the person would identify as what they believe to be human nature.

In short, I think the response in the meme doesn’t accurately engages with the challenge of the claim and would probably fail to convince anyone and probably makes you seem intellectually dishonest from the perspective of the conversation partner.

I don’t believe cowbee is intellectually dishonest, but that they fail to consider the issue from a different perspective, as we all do daily.

If trump says that you aren’t nice, you are probably a person that I would like to know and chat regularly with.

You should read the whole thing, because then you would have known that he isn’t talking about making teaching using ai but using ai in hiring, Performance reviews and not using contractors when ai can do it. So not the fundamental change In Teaching but automated hr work and vibe coding.

As a programmer, 100% right.

But Ai shit can ruin the economical validity of certain jobs but it will make the quality of work much much much worse. E.g. ai generated Easter bunny bags will ruin the Easter bunny bag industry for artists and we will get worse Easter bunny bags :( ofc, there will be work for artists but a lot less because people don’t appreciate artistic skills enough. :/

Yeah, but again. I think the people that see joker was a incel ref, aren’t necessarily saying that joker is an incel, but rather that incels like joker.

I didn’t enjoy the joker movie, I don’t intend to argue about the movie but to provide my understanding of the why.

And my joker is Heath ledger, anyway.

Neither. It was a new cool trendy thing.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/delulu

I am not arguing that he is and I don’t think the people calling it a incel ref are saying that he is. I think they are saying that he is weirdly deli about a woman and is popular with a lot of incels because he is relatable for them. (Hating society is a way and kinda delulu about women)

Also I want to repeat, I might misremember stuff.

Maybe I misremember but he was kinda delulu about a woman, no?

Honestly I am somewhat confused too. I think the joker movie joker is kinda incel ref because he is kinda an incel and kinda hates women (I don’t remember the movie too well)

That seems to be the dark knight joker tho. So idk.

And honestly dark knight joker is amazing. Like I like the movie because the joker is a great villain in this movie.

Did you guys listen to the Tesla earnings call?

That was something to be enjoyed.

I didn’t expect an answer. I am sorry if I made you feel that way. I just wanted to explore the topic with the general topic.

Your answer is a good as mine. I just don’t think people have good reason to be so judgemental to any group as vague as “woman”.

It is an odd thing anyway.

Fair point

I understand all of that but it seems crazy that it would generate these results so systematically.

Idk. I certainly want a world where gender is a fun little thing and not an life defining element.

Honestly, no. I am working in programming. There are no women. We both know why and the answer is sexism.

But even on the way into the job, I have only twice experience someone telling a woman to not do IT that was when I was a student. 1. A classmate, and everyone gave him a lot of shit for it. Seriously, I don’t think he had a friend in the class afterwards. 2. A father telling his daughter. And there I jumped in and challenged him on it.

It is difficult to spot sexism in a different department.

Edit: I misread the question. in my friend circle, I can’t recall any woman complain about sexism at their work, but a former female friend in china. The women in my life had issue with their work but I don’t recall specifically sexism. Tbf, a lot of them work in jobs that are “women jobs” like caretaker.

2.nd edit: I just recalled 1 case where someone complained about sexism to “me”, friend of a friend and I was present. But honestly in that case, it was really bs. Girl admitted that she didn’t know what she was doing and admitted that she didn’t want to learn and then complain why everyone else got real work in the internship… So not the ideal case to talk about the very real sexism in society.

If you don’t mind what do you mean that you understand now how people can believe sexism isn’t an issue?

I want to stress that it is an issue, I just have a difficult time believing some of the shit because it seems so comical to me. What kind of person is that way?

I think it is a weird focus because it was irrelevant to your point, and the discussion at large. I could point out that American christians are far more likely to support trump than non-christians, but why? When we talk about the idea of the us electorate (that you chose to equate to american in your comment to the other guy. So I will say American too)

The collective in question was defined, “why do you think that about Americans?” To move the focus to white Americans is odd in that context. Imagine I would have said, “well republicans are far right”. You would have told me that we don’t talk about republicans but Americans. That I couldn’t and shouldn’t judge a collective by a subgroup. Yet that is what your focus on white Americans does in this conversation. It is not a bad observation, it is just a weird focus in this conversation.

And yes white Americans have voted trump in power, 61% of Americans identify as “white (not mixed)”. 71% of Americans identify as “white”. That is a huge part of the us electorate. If 57% (according to exit polls) of 71% of the us electorate vote for a fascist, of course, that is relevant and it should play a part in how I judge the us electorate.

But in the end of the day, all of that is more complicated than needed to answer the question, why do I believe the us electorate is far right. Trump won the popularity vote. You can break it up. But then we aren’t talking about your initial question, why do you think that about the us electorate? Instead we would talk about e.g. the white us electorate, certainly worth while exploring but not the topic at hand.

If you are unhappy with that, then don’t frame it as you do. I am answering your question precisely. Ask me a different question if you want to talk about a different topic. But don’t dismiss my answer because you don’t like it and claim that your comment didn’t focus onto white Americans and that the majority of the us electorate didn’t vote for trump while blaming white Americans (the absolute majority of the us electorate) for voting for trump.

I am sorry but the us is mostly white and fascist. That is what informs my opinion on us citizens as a collective.

Edit: you also seem very offended by the idea that I judge the us electorate based on a popular vote, saying that not everyone is that way. While happily blaming white Americans based on exit polls, ignoring that not everyone is that way. That is odd. Why can’t I judge the us electorate but you can judge the white us electorate?

I hear you but what cranked it up to 1000?

Like I always saw my mom as a extremely competent person, as a child she was flawless. Nowadays, I see her flaws but I am flawed, so if my father and any person I ever met. I am impressed by my sister and how I can be like the person that she is in many ways.

I am talking about my direct family because these women had a lot of influence on me. So I wonder, what was their experience like to think so poorly of women? Not blaming the women in their social circle for being “bad”, I just wonder wtf happened. Where does that belief come from? I don’t think they all had great experiences with their male role models but horrible ones with their female role models. So what is it?