• Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    That’s literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.

    Neoliberals don’t change the system, they ARE the system. You’re not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d’être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.

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        That first part is kinda what I’m saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they’re supposed to represent want.

        Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.

        It’s like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.

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          Well this is the bitch: you can’t play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.

          Don’t play chess with pigeons

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            That’s a false dichotomy.

            You’re assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today’s circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.

            I’m not advocating for Dems to do either. I’m advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it’s necessary and justified.

            Following rules for their own sake even when it’s clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.

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                So THAT’S where you want the goal posts now?

                Sure, due process is an inalienable human right that should never be infringed upon.

                That obviously wasn’t what I was talking about, though.

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    7 days ago

    if Democrats ever win I fully exepct this:

    “Now is a time of healing. To better unify our Great Nation™®© we are going to let Republicans fill every committee and pick every judge, we are even looking into how we might let them have the presidency. If we can’t, do not worry, we will behave as if we were Republicans and will do as they wish.”

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      I think Bernie’s Fight the Oligarchy Tour is changing this, but more people needs to push this.