And people who didn’t vote for the lesser evil could have helped avoid the greater evil, but chose not to.

Suit yourself

Do you have the numbers you ran 6 years ago? I’m not that organized.

I used to be one of the people that came to rescue, or recover, people who fell down cliffs. (I was a search and rescue mountaineer/EMT for a decade)

I was speaking from experience.

Your conjecture is not accurate.

Packs break, clothes rip, some stuff stops falling on a ledge that other stuff bounces off of and keeps falling, etc. rarely, but not unheard of, a body part will get caught up on something while the body is falling fast enough to rip that part off and keep falling…

That would probably increase the probability of it staying with you, but clothes can easily get shredded by a big fall, and something causing a protrusion in the clothes would be a likely place for a rock to catch and tear…

I’m guessing you haven’t seen a lot of people who feel hundreds of get down a mountain. I’ve seen about a dozen (I used to be a search and rescue mountaineer/EMT). I stand by my statement.

I ran the numbers per hour on mountaineering (related to rock climbing, but not exactly the same) and driving is more dangerous as of about 6 years ago (when I ran the numbers).

I believe the fatality rates on rock climbing are similar, but don’t quote me on it.

The bottom line truth is, mountain recreation isn’t nearly as dangerous as people think it is.

Life is dangerous. Seriously, you can easily slip, fall, and die in your bathroom.

Statistics are how we determine how risky an activity is. Mountaineering and rock climbing are statistically safer than driving. Yes, driving is dangerous, but nobody says shit about not having compassion for those who die because they take a road trip.

All of those risks you mention associated with climbing exist, but you’re dramatically overestimating how common they are

I used to live upstairs from a couple with DV issues.

The victim was the 6’+ 200lb+ man in his 20s. The offender was a smaller woman. I felt so sorry for that guy. I’m sure people were reluctant to take him seriously, but she was unhinged when angry. Throwing pots and pans at him, pulling knives, etc…

I was a search and rescue mountaineer/EMT for a decade. I’m an engineer/analyst for my day job. I am good at math and interpreting data, interested in the mountains, and fascinated by risk/perceptions of risk.

The most dangerous part of most mountain trips is the drive to the trailhead. Driving is so much more dangerous than just about anything else in our society, but everyone does it all the time so most people never think about it.

Your attitude is only warranted for really high risk level activities, like wing suit base jumps. Rock climbing and mountaineering are generally quite safe compared to risks that most of Western society fully embraces.

After 400ft of falling, there’s not much guarantee that any gear is near you when you stop moving.

And yeah, they built most of the PLBs tough, but there aren’t exactly black box material either

I was a search and rescue mountaineer EMT for a decade in a very busy county.

This is good advice, but most people don’t do things risky enough to need one. The most important thing people who are less extreme can do is tell someone you trust where you’re going (including your planned route) and when they should worry that you haven’t returned (when to call for rescue). Do it for every hike. Stories like this one make headlines, but most rescues are for things like busted ankles.

They often have them in places where there’s little to no cell coverage.

Better than it would have been if we were voting for the greater evil.

Yeah, headline should have said care for gender dysphoria. Viagra is gender affirming care too…

You’re missing the fucking point. Nobody is disputing that there might have been assault. Congratulations on winning an argument that you were having with your imagination

This thinking is a result of thinking that there is a simple political spectrum. There isn’t… Most voters are far too simple minded for voting that way. They vote for the other party when they are unhappy. That’s it. That’s all the decision making they need. They voted for Trump in 16 because they didn’t like the status quo (What simple working person is happy with the rich getting richer and the rest of us getting nothing but rising housing costs?). They voted for Biden in 20 because he wasn’t Trump and Trump really fucked up his time in the white house. Then they voted for Trump again because Biden didn’t change things.

The Democratic party can appeal to a lot more voters by abandoning a status quo that no longer serves the masses. There is a reason there were people who voted for Trump and AOC on the same ballot. They are people who are upset by the status quo and want change, even if that change is burning it all down and starting over.

We should give them change, because if we don’t, they will vote for change from the fascists.

There are too many of them for us to kill them all. We simply can’t kill 1/3 of the country… We have to find a way to build a society with most of the people who voted for Trump still being in it.

Now, for the ultramaga, proud boy types… I don’t hold back on solutions to the problems presented by that smaller population.

It’s always sad/funny to me that they are ok with forcing the bad parts of their faith on us via the government, but reject the good parts that most non theists would support

Yup, and you can make people more conservative by blasting them with propaganda about how scary “the other” is.

They were worried about those things because they knew what they would do if they had the power.