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It was just a half-assed attempt to provide an example, I’m just a dude on the internet who doesn’t write headlines all day, I’m sure someone who does could come up with something better.

That sounds like some incel shit right there. But since you said you’re married I’m forced to assume that you came by your misogyny honest?

You are wrong. Yeah times have changed, but not so much that you can’t just fucking talk to someone. Say hi, strike up a conversation, whatever, and trust that anyone who doesn’t want to talk will say so. The important thing when that happens is to listen to them and leave them alone.

You know what, I think maybe I was a little overzealous in my reading of that person’s comment. I just went and reread it and realized there’s not a lot there, so I was probably assuming intent or meaning that may or may not have been there. My bad.

Yeah, I also see the appeal of just having one job and being able to focus utterly on that. In my case I was running the grill and making the sandwiches too, so I had to switch between them regularly without messing up orders or letting the meat cook too long and with frequent interruptions to run to the opposite end of the store to grab a new box of burgers from the freezer, and it was kind of the combination of doing multiple different things that kind of coalesced into the idea of being the calm amidst the chaos and somehow getting all of it right.

Yeah that’s kind of my point: society has not stopped to think about the fact that the water is at a full boil and has been for a while. If I had my way ads would just be a basic, boring, ‘This product/service exists, and this is what an independent panel of testers has determined about its functions and capabilities.’ There have definitely been products that were advertised to me that make my life easier and that I use every day, so I don’t want to lose the ability to discover them, I just also don’t want these companies putting their dick in my ass and whispering into my ear that I’m not good enough person as a person if I don’t like it.

Oh yeah, I grew up in the 70s/80s when that shit became rife. I loved Saturday morning cartoons until I got old enough to realize that they only existed to sell me toys (and to sell ads for other toys.)

This is why I use my phone as little as I can get away with, because these companies have built their apps as these little walled gardens where it’s illegal to modify them to block their ads when that’s not the case on a website. Fortunately in my situation there are very few occasions where I have to use my phone or an app for something.

Yup. When he did those nazi salutes I didn’t think ‘omg he’s secretly a nazi’, it was ‘omg that fucking 12-year-old edgelord cringe-factory is so fucking proud of himself for pulling that off.’

To be clear I do think he’s a nazi, just not because of that salute. Dude has some weird ideas about ‘spreading his seed’ and shit that I’ve only ever seen in fanatically religious communities and among white supremacists.

Yeah I get the history, I’m more commenting on the fact that nobody really said ‘Huh, is this a good idea?’, it just slowly infiltrated everywhere and like the frog in the pot of slowly-boiling water we don’t realize the shit we’re in because of it.

Marketing basically just consisted of “here’s my product, here’s why it’s superior to others.”

That’s what I think advertising ought to be. ‘This product/service exists. Here’s what a panel of independent testers (folks like Consumer Reports) has determined about its functionality, capabilities, etc.’ No music, no slogans, no ‘vibe-n-style’ or whatever, just someone describing the basic facts about the product or service. Because I don’t dispute that I have seen ads for something and been like ‘holy shit this will make my life easier’ or whatever, so I don’t want to not be able to discover products… I just also don’t want to be manipulated by the companies that have a financial incentive to push them.

This right here is why I think advertising is manipulation. Cause even the subtle shit where you’re like ‘That was weird’ and shrug it off is still affecting you days, weeks, even years later. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and there are so many fucking stupid ad jingles and slogans stuck in my head, half of them I don’t even remember who they were for.

Interesting, I just use a private DNS on my phone set to dns.adguard.com and it catches most things, but I’d like to hear more about this. I’ve considered setting up a pihole but there are people in the house who work from home and need to do VPN shit so I’m reluctant to mess with that, but if I can just change the firmware on the router…

Nah, I pay for my bandwidth, I get to decide what it does and does not get used for. Even if that’s not nearly as big a concern as it used to be in like the late 90s, it’s the principle of I’m not going to pay for you to shove your garbage down my throat.

And yeah I haven’t seen an ad in years and years on PC. People complain about youtube ads and I’m like ‘What’s that? I watch a lot of youtube and I’ve not seen an ad in like 10 years.’ Sadly on mobile that’s a little more complicated, but adding a private dns of ‘dns.adguard.com’ blocks most things.

There are better ways to say that if that was their intent. Like:

They’ve also pointed to passages of Mangione’s writings, which described Mangione’s deepening fixation on UnitedHealthcare and an increasing malice over what he claims to be the corporation’s greed.

Purported greed just smacks of cowardice.

Yeah, good point.

The first step is not accepting everything you read at face value. Start investigating the claims you see on the news or social media and you will develop a sense for which ones tend to be bullshit and which ones tend not to be, you will learn to recognize the bullshit ideas not because they’re obviously bullshit at first, but because they’re surrounded by the kind of language that bullshit claims are often smuggled into. It’s just pattern-matching, it’s a skill like everything else and you can practice it and get better. One way to do this is to just find a news article, scroll to a random point in it, highlight a sentence that makes a truth claim about something, and go ‘That seems like bullshit, I’ll look for corroborating sources’ even if you’re sure it’s true. Then go do find 3-4 other sources that talk about the same thing and see how they shade things differently. Aside from learning to match the pattern you also learn which sources are more or less reliable, more or less biased, etc. A good tool for this specifically for news is GroundNews, every article they show includes ratings for how biased the source is, a list of other sources that also report on the same incident and what their biases are, etc. Plus it’s been my experience that looking at things from several angles is kind of like drawing a bunch of lines that pass near the point of truth - the more lines you draw, the narrower the space in which the truth must reside, so the easier it is to find the center.

The second and perhaps most important step is being willing to be wrong, especially in public. Be concerned not about whether or not you will look bad but whether or not you are putting good information out there. Develop the habit of stopping in the middle of your political rant or whatever and going ‘Wait, am I sure about this? I should check.’ In a similar vein, get into the habit of providing sources for your own claims, even if only because that reinforces the habit of checking yourself. I discuss politics a lot online and have often found myself going ‘Oh yeah, well <this> is how the world really works!’, then I go looking for a source to cite and discover that I was wrong. Don’t flee from that uncomfortable feeling, swallow your pride and embrace it. The more you get into the habit of checking yourself the easier it becomes to remember to check others too, and again, the more familiar you become with what truth and bullshit look like from the inside and from the outside. It will also help you develop a bit of humility, which is unrelated but still a good thing to have.

Also on the subject of sources, look for authoritative sources first. If you’re investigating a claim about vaccines making people sick, for example, don’t look for news articles about it; go straight to the CDC where they have data about adverse incident rates for vaccines that is publicly available. When you hear about something that happened in a particular place check the local newspapers first because they’re likely to have picked up the story before anyone else and are more committed to providing accurate information that’s relevant to locals than the national media, they tend to sensationalize stories less. This isolates you somewhat from some of the more egregious bias and spin out there.

I just assume it’s legal because it’s so common, you’d think if it was illegal someone would’ve challenged it by now and nobody could put it in their EULAs anymore.

100%. If buying isn’t owning then stealing isn’t theft.

I’ve been on the internet since like 1992 and I’ve never once capitalized it, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen it capitalized. shrug

I worked at a fast food joint in the early 90s where often I was the only person running the kitchen during lunch rush because we were understaffed. It was hectic and utterly batshit and the pay was minimum wage, but those times when we were super busy I felt like a goddamned superhero because I would just get into the zone and be the eye of the hurricane managing the chaos with grace and elegance. It felt so damned good during but especially after. It was a shit job and I was glad to move on to something better, but it had its moments.