Absolutely this.

Anyone denying the clear signals of despair from young voters is coping. Idk why anyone is getting mad at people demanding progress from dems at a time when there’s no risk of electoral losses - makes me think those people are actually just carrying water for ani-reform neoliberal fascists.

What is a ‘progressive protest’ then?

Like herding cats with this guy, I tell ya

I am so curious about which ones you claim are liberal protests as opposed to progressive.

I’m imagining it’ll sound a little like present day republicans trying to claim Lincoln as their ideological progenitor.

As if I’ve ever found anyone other than progressives out protesting.

You’re just accelerationisting, which lead to Hitler taking power and sending all the accelerationists to camps, which is exactly what’s happening now.

I’m not advocating for voting against dems, i’m saying the democrats cannot win in the current political environment by being moderate. That has always been the message, but democrats insisted that they could win if they abandoned progressive causes. It’s the same thing that has happened in every fascist uprising - the moderate party could no longer hold a majority because the majority of the country had fled the center.

It’s not a sense of moral righteousness that you’re seeing, it’s indignation that liberals - who claimed to believe in the same things as their progressive base but refused to act on them - lost us the election because they’d rather continue collaborating with fascists and preserve a method of governance that caused our current situation than have to reckon with a base that was pleading them to do something substantial.

Democrats chose to say ‘fuck off’ to their base, and now their sycophants are really out there in the comments trying to blame everyone else

Everyone assumed progressives weren’t that impossibly stupid.

Are you one of those ‘progressives voted 3rd party or abstained’ people, or are you a ‘progressives killed momentum and caused normies to stay home’ people? Because how I address you next really depends on where you land on the ‘blame progressives’ scale

Libs are desperate to believe that the actually-real conditions in the US are fine, if not great - and everyone flocking to the right and left of them is just because they’re being propagandized by foreign adversaries and not due to any real systemic issue.

I guess I’d just float the possibility that maybe the reason populism is on the rise is because capitalist democracy is failing, and a growing majority of people have lost faith that democratic reform is possible at all. Democrats continually insisting that there is no actual crisis and we just need to calm down and return to a status-quo (or constantly telling us now is not the time for reform) is contributing to this voter apathy, even while they’re screaming about the dangers of fascism (as absolutely real as they are).

You don’t even know what you’re talking about, that’s how childish you are, you think everyone who doesn’t agree with everything you believe in are fascists

No, I believe the people conducting genocide and throwing protestors in labor camps are fascists, and the white moderates in the ‘opposition’ party who feign outrage but can’t be bothered to lift a finger to stop it are collaborators. I don’t even think democrats need to adopt economic populist positions to win, really - they could start adopting the reactionary positions on the populist right, too, and maybe stand a chance (though it would be hard to out-reactionary Trump). The middle is just a hollowed out husk tho - if they stay there they’ll never win again

I look forward to the 2050s through to the 2010s, when all you fuckers are out of everyone else’s misery :)

Libs try beating the fascist collaborator accusations challenge, impossible

Lmao, I love how 8 months ago, liberals were swearing up and down that if they proposed any big policies or changes they’d lose moderate voters, and now 6 months later they’re saying progressives fucked them for telling them they’d lose if they didn’t

Enjoy the camps.

If I collaborate with the fascists like the liberals are i don’t have to

Honest to God, I’m not even sure what it means to suggest that MAGA is destroying the dnc

I would have maybe rolled my eyes if you said progressives were responsible, but this more just sounds like paranoia

Lol, yes, that response from democrats to progressives who say our country is in crisis and needs bold change is why they’re losing

But still a comparison, so

I guess, no, I’m not hallucinating

Did you just compare a woman’s right to control her own body to the right of a nationstate to exterminate a people or am I hallucinating

Which one of those makes the moral justification for Genocide, specifically, complicated?

I don’t think there’s anything clear about that comment.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around what complexities might make genocide the right thing to do.

Uhh, what now?

Liberals lost the farm betting there were enough people who felt strongly enough about nothing fundamentally changing to outnumber everyone else. You could only look at that gamble charitably if you thought it would win them the election against a fascist, but turns out it didn’t. Now there’s no charity left for them to hide behind.

They collaborated in a genocide for nothing - that’s on them.

Idk, I think the dems have a bit more culpability than people want to admit since they aren’t just committing the same war crimes as the republicans, but suppressing the opposition to it in their own party, too.

Not that republicans wouldn’t do the same thing if any opposition existed within their own base to begin with, but democrats are doing it even as they know their base actively resents them for it. That says something extra about their culpability.

German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.

Lmao. Yep, but not the liberal collaborators. Convenient for them, too - not just because they didn’t die but because they got rid of those pesky communists.

Just don’t do anything that’ll raise attention to your opposition to fascism, tho

Tell people they’re being oppressed, they’ll become defensive, then frustrated opposition will retaliate against their fallacies, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Religion becomes more important than education, and the government gains more control over the people.

If you’re suggesting that even just pointing to existing oppression is going to lead to this ‘self-fulfilling prophesy’, then I think we have very different definitions of ‘complacency’ and ‘smart’.

That is a hell of a conflation, between vocal opposition to fascism and a fucking assassination attempt.

No, I don’t think anyone here is advocating suicide by amateur assassin cosplay. Even just dispassionately calling this as it is will be held up as ‘dangerous’ - it’s not at all about the optics.

If all you’re doing is just waiting for your next opportunity to cast a ballot, you’ve already lost.