Exactly

It’s something we already know, and it’s said often enough that it’s common knowledge.

Ok, capitalism is the root of most if not all of the evil in today’s Western society, and that we’d all be better off without it.

I see this point of view expressed on Lemmy quite frequently.

Should I not share that even though it’s been shared 10s, 100s, 1000s of times before? Do I as a participant in society have the freedom to voice what I believe, regardless of whether it’s a majority or minority position?

Seems like you’re advocating for silencing free speech, which is idiotic.

Same

That Democrats had record turnout

According to Ballotpedia, in 2024 ~63.9% of the eligible US voting population (older than 18, US citizen, resident of voting jurisdiction) turned out to vote (registered & casted a ballot) or ~155 mn people. This means ~36.1% didn’t turn out, or ~88 mn people out of the ~243 mn total eligible population. In 2020, the turnout rate was ~66.6% or ~158 mn, meaning ~33.4% or ~79 mn didn’t vote out of the ~238 mn total eligible population.

According again to Ballotpedia, ~77 mn voted R in 2024 (~49.8% of the voting population or ~31.8% of the total eligible population), ~75 mn voted D (~48.3% of the voting population or ~30.8% of the total eligible population), and ~3 mn voted 3rd party (~1.9% of the voting population or ~1.2% of the total eligible population).

In 2020, ~81 mn voted D (~51.3% of the voting population or ~34.2% of the total population), ~74 mn voted R (~46.9% of the voting population or ~31.2% of the total eligible population), and ~3 mn voted 3rd party (~1.8% of the voting population or ~1.2% of the total eligible population).

Democrats lost ~6 mn voters from 2020 to 2024 after looking at the above three sources, despite the voting population decreasing by ~3 mn and the eligible population increasing by ~5 mn. This implies that they did not have record turnout if you compare to 2020, also implying 2020 was more of a “record” turnout compared to 2024.

& record voter registration

Regarding voting registration, Ballotpedia haven’t posted data from 2024 or 2020, instead sharing 2022 information (which is biased since most people don’t vote in off-General Election years). The US Census Bureau have gathered this information however:

According to the US Census Bureau, in 2024 the total eligible voting population (older than 18, US citizen, assumed resident of voting jurisdiction) was ~236 mn, the total registered population was ~174 mn (~73.6% of total eligible population), and the total voting population was ~154 mn (~65.3% of the total eligible population). Comparing registered to voting populations, ~154 mn voted out of ~174 mn registered (~88.8%), while ~20 mn did not vote (~11.2%).

In 2020, the US Census Bureau reports that the total eligible voting population was ~232 mn, the total registered population was ~168 mn (~72.7% of the total eligible population), and the total voting population was ~155 mn (~66.8% of the total eligible population). Comparing registered to voting populations, ~155 mn voted out of ~168 mn registered (~91.9%), while ~14 mn did not vote (~8.1%).

What the above 2 sources show is that more people were eligible and registered to vote in 2024 compared to 2020, but less people actually voted in that same time frame, both in absolute (~154 vs ~155 mn) and relative (~88.8% vs ~91.9%) terms. This could imply that Democrats didn’t receive “record” registration, but the US Census Bureau doesn’t gather party affiliation in their registration data.

Ballotpedia does collect this, and says that only 30 states allowed voting registrants to list their party affiliation on their registration AND made this information public. The other 20 states and DC might have allowed this information to be collected, but didn’t make such data public, or didn’t collect this information to begin with.

The numbers Ballotpedia report are that in March 2024, ~118 mn people registered in 30 states, ~45 mn registered D (~38.3%), ~36 mn registered R (~30.3%), and ~37 mn registered 3rd party (~31.4%). Ballotpedia doesn’t have registration data for 2020 (nor for 2019 or 2018), but does have 2021. For June of that year, ~125 mn people registered in 31 states, ~49 mn registered D (~39.6%), ~36 mn registered R (~29.2%), and ~39 mn registered 3rd party (~31.2%).

This data is likely biased because it was collected in March of 2024 and June of 2021, times of the year and of election cycles where people aren’t as engaged in politics as around times of the year/election cycles closer to General Elections. It does indicate that Democrats received above average registration numbers, but that the registration numbers were more “record” in 2020 than in 2024. We don’t have data for every state though, so really this finding is inconclusive.

20 million less Democrats voted

Like I said above, ~6 mn less Democrats voted in 2024 over 2020, not 20 mn.

Where is the evidence for the “record turnout”? Where is the evidence for the “record voter registration”? Where is the evidence of the “20 million more Democrats”?

From what evidence I can find, Democrats had lower turnout, lower registrations, and less votes in 2024 than 2020.

The lack of analysis of voting data in this post leads me to believe that the other information and claims are suspect. Seems more like a narrative is being pushed than fact.

Twist and tuck all day erre’day

I love that Bernie meme lol

I’m glad I’m on db0 and can still see posts from .ml, hexbear, and .world.

I can get a gauge of what people from all servers are saying, and I’m finding the gist that what you’re saying is correct.

Lessons learned

What are the current meanings of left and right?

I won’t stop blaming politicians that just sit there and expect to be spoonfed perfect votes like toddlers, instead of understanding that people’s needs and wants change over time as shit happens in the world.

Wages have stagnated. Civil liberties are being restricted. Immigration sucks now, where empires live or die by import of not only goods but laborers that fire up the economy. Harassment is on the rise, especially in cyberspace where there are no protections. Infrastructure is either crumbling or insufficient for how people want to live. Smog, pollution, and greenhouse gases are jeopardizing our future. People are having less children which will surely fuck up the economy at some point for those that age out of the workforce. Corporations control law and order beyond what science and research tells us. Privacy is eroding. There are TONS of issues that politicians could run on to galvanize non-voters, and yes anti-genocide is one of those.

Democrats on the other hand would rather uphold existing institutions, however neololiberal they are, and chase after Republicans than run on popular, leftist policies.

If Democrats don’t do what their constituents want, they will continue to lose elections. I think people want change, and I don’t think Dems (or MAGAts) are willing to give that. The politicians must change. We shouldn’t have to settle with mediocre, half baked centrism when we are now seeing the Right completely undermine and shock the existing system. Why can’t Democrats do the same, but in the other direction?

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I’ve combed through the statistics for the 2024 election multiple times. Just check my profile.

The uncommitted movement were some 700,000 strong. Those numbers were on par with RFK’s votes since he didn’t pull out of the race by the time he endorsed Trump.

Democrats lost voters in 2024, despite the eligible voting pool increasing. Republicans gain voters ofc.

Why are you focusing on the voters when it’s the politician’s job to CONVINCE voters they’re worth voting for? And are we forgetting the awful transition by Biden to Kamala, where she had 3 months to campaign? Are we forgetting how Biden said he’d be a transition candidate, that he wouldn’t run for a second term but then did so anyway to the surprise of his staff?

We could have held a primary where the American people could have at least had the impression that they were engaging in Democracy (only for the DNC to pick their favorite anyways).

Pleaseeeeeee stop blaming voters. You’re repeating the cycle where those in power never have to change.

Nature is fucking rad

Wish there was a good FOSS Acrobat/Blue beam alternative.

I use those tools for the majority of my work as an engineer.

Ok, here we go:

I’m disgusted by people who threw their vote away

Throwing their vote away = not voting.

or refused to vote blue over genocide

Refusing to vote blue != not voting

Refusing to vote blue = vote red, green, PSL, RFK, literally anything else

Are we arriving at the issue at hand finally?

Your reading comprehension needs work.

Annnd classic troll move by resorting to insults instead of facts and claims at hand. How big of a waste of time you’ve been

Edit:

Unless you mean that both people that didn’t vote nor voted blue are disgusting to you, in which case whatever. Personal sentiments can’t fix hard facts. The more liberals like you cope, the more you’ll lose elections.

You just said:

I said that I’m disgusted by people who sat out.

Your original post which I commented on said this:

Yes, and I’m disgusted by people who threw their vote away or refused to vote blue over genocide

Which is it?

The Uncommitted Movement was ~700k strong. Even if we assume the entire voting block didn’t cast ballots in 2024, meaning I don’t count them in the Green Party/PSL group, the impact of that would still only be less than 1 mn, which RFK and Libertarians similarly drew for their causes. It’s a rounding error whether or not they contributed to the outcome or not.

The real problem is why more people either 1) changed parties or 2) didn’t vote in 2024 when they did in 2020. Perhaps COVID had an effect in 2020, perhaps tightened voting laws had an effect in 2024, perhaps Democrats have now become Republican-lite, perhaps shit just sucks and there’s no time when people need to work.

It is a politician’s job to think about these things and determine a strategy best suited to acquiring power. If politicians don’t do that, they lose races.

or refused to vote blue over genocide

In 2024, 155mn people voted, while 88mn didn’t out of the entire 243 mn eligible voting population.

Of that, 77 mn voted R, 75 mn voted D, and 3 mn voted 3rd party.

In 2020, 158 mn people voted, while 79 mn didn’t out of the entire 238 mn eligible voting population.

Of that, 81 mn voted D, 74 mn voted R, and 3 mn voted 3rd party.

Your claim is that the Uncommitted Movement had an impact in 2024 on the outcome of the election.

Wikipedia says that the movement got 700k votes. If we look to Ballotpedia, the Green Party received ~860k while the PSL received ~165k, meaning we can pretty much say those two parties captured the Uncommitted Movement’s voting block. That’s a total ~1 mn voters.

But JFK received ~760k votes in 2024 because he didn’t file to leave the election before endorsing Trump. And the Libertarians which I doubt have any affiliation with the Uncommitted Movement received ~650k. That’s a total ~1.4 mn voters.

The 3rd party vote didn’t make or break this election. You can see that in how many people voted 3rd party in 2024 compared to 2020 despite the voting population increasing.

No, I reject your claim. The Democrats lost 6 mn voters in 2024, and failed to capture the eligible voting population. This wasn’t the fault of people who give a shit about genocide.

Keep telling yourself that though while the Do Nothing Democrats roll over at every chance they get to aid and abet our fascist regime.

most of whom were arrested en masse without any process resembling justice—just tattoos, zip codes, or looking nervous.

That’s the price they pay for letting their culture get that bad.

Why are you talking about tattoos here?

The person you’re responding to highlighted some text from the article, pointing to injustice of the regime by believing tattoos automatically = jail.

You said their “bad culture” is the price they pay, implicitly grouping tattoo, zip codes, and looking nervous defined by the previous comment all under “bad culture” of those who do go to jail.

You then gaslight me for pointing out your fascism and disregard for civil liberties by avoiding any correlation with tattoos because you didn’t mention them explicitly.

Every knows what you were talking about bro. The fact you asked this question makes me think you’re a troll with no convictions for attacking modern fascism. Thanks for giving that away so all of us can treat you as such.

Tattoos are not a sign of a culture getting bad.

Your behavior of intolerance is a sign, however.

People like you are why I wish the US had re-education camps like China. You need to unlearn your bullshit.

I never liked tattoos and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.

I never liked bootlicking, individualistic, snowflake fascists and they’re more-often-than-not an indicator of people that I should avoid.