capitalist countries who were “relieved from extreme poverty” during their industrialisation period

Uh… Have you opened a book in your life at any point? Have you ever heard of these things called “British Empire”, “Portuguese Empire”, “Spanish Empire”, “Colonial Africa”, or “British Raj”? How about child labour in Britain during industrial development? Bengal famine, Irish potato famine, genocide of Latin Americas, slave trade… The list of actually enforced hunger and genocide is absolutely endless, and much more harrowing than the consequence of (admittedly disastrous) uninformed ecological policy in the mid-20th century.

Funny how extreme poverty starts racing down as soon as China adopted capitalist market reforms

Extreme poverty was already racing down in the times of Mao before Dengism, life expectancy in China rose some 25 years under Mao. What part of “attracting foreign investment increases the material wealth of the country when done under communist rule” seems funny to you? Is that some sort of gotcha against communists? Because it’s literally the Marxist strategy of Dengism, outlined clearly and not hiding anything.

why is China covering it up

China isn’t “covering up” the Tiananmen revolts, it’s preventing the fabricated set of lies by western media to harm its country, and it’s doing this successfully. China has historically been less developed than western countries due to late industrialisation and being a victim of colonialism and imperialism, and weaker countries need to apply state power to prevent foreign interference, as the Zapatistas had to learn during their struggle. As China strengthens and the West debilitates, China is capable of opening up and controlling its narrative with more soft power, and the West needs to crack down against journalistic freedom. We see this in the US with the banning of TikTok, and in the EU with the banning of Russian media.

Like what’s going on in Xinjiang?

It’s been five years that you libs have been propagating this misinformation about Xinjiang and there’s still not a fucking shred of evidence. The education centres were closed years ago, the counter-terrorism campaign in Xinjiang was ssuccessful, and Xinjiang is not only developing, it’s doing so at an impressively fast rate, and recently the Uyghur became the majority ethnicity in the region. You can literally go into your phone and look up how many Palestinian children have been slaughtered this past week by Israel with video evidence of pretty much every single case, yet in China, a country where pretty much every single citizen owns a smartphone and VPN use isn’t persecuted (personally been in China and used VPNs to bypass the Great Firewall without issues), there isn’t a single picture or video evidence of abuse of authority against Uyghur.

When in 5-10 years it becomes common knowledge that the Uyghur “genocide” was a western fabrication, remember that communists somehow always knew, and reevaluate whether you’re just a propagandised cog in the machine. Everyone also “knew” about the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and believed Nayirah’s testimony in congress.

Being critical of the communist state which relieved 800 million people from extreme poverty over the suppression of a western-sponsored color revolution while fascism disintegrates the EU and US, from the comfort of the armchairs in their Muslim genocide supporting nations

.world lemmitors living in western countries on the verge of fascism really be shaking to post anticommunist CIA propaganda on their favourite day of the year

So the source on this is a western state-funded journalism media company using a phone which they claim they got from North Korea somehow?

You’re just regurgitating the wikipedia list of logical fallacies without knowing what they mean, peak redditor behaviour.

1931 is full-on collectivisation period. Only by 1929 the Soviet economy recovered from the brutal civil war in which it was invaded by 17 countries.

In 1929 it was a feudal country starting the fastest process of industrialisation humanity had ever seen. In 1929 5% of the budget was military, by 1939 it was 40+%. The USSR was preparing for the inevitable invasion that it would suffer as a consequence of opposing capitalism and fascism, which came in 1941. 27 million people died in 1941-1945 as a consequence of the war. Hadn’t it been for the preparation for war, the entirety of Eastern Europe would have been genocided in a similar but worse fashion than Poland.

This preparation literally SAVED Europe from Nazism. There were problems in the process, such as during collectivisation, but if you deny that the Soviet preparation and economy SAVED Europe from fascism, you’re falling into Nazi apologia. You really, really can’t see why the USSR had to prepare thoroughly for the impending war that they successfully predicted? You really can’t see why 1930s weren’t a peaceful period, but actually a process of class war against landlords and former nobility, and a preparation to defeat fascism?

We have been talking about the present and future threats to the EU

And how exactly do you think those other wars were presented in the past? Do you think Nazi politicians weren’t telling their population that Lebensraum was exclusively for the defense of German culture and rights against the barbaric Russians? Do you not think that the imperialist powers in WW1 fighting each other framed these wars as defensive to their own populations? Essentially: “trust me bro, this next war will be the defensive war bro, I promise bro”

Geopolitical concerns have fundamentally changed

Didn’t I just tell you about the ongoing genocide in Gaza that European states support? How can you claim that things have changed when Europe keeps engaging in genocide?

the EU isn’t perfect, but it is the best the world has to offer

“Maybe Europe has a history of barbaric colonialism and imperialism leaving tens (if not hundreds) of millions of deaths in its colonies in Africa, Asia and South America. Maybe European states have fought endless wars among each other in the name of self defence. Maybe Europe continues to engage in the support of genocidal apartheid states such as Israel, and recently itself participated in the bombing of Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. Maybe Europe is getting overrun by far-right politicians as we see in Poland, Italy and soon Germany and France. But Europe is the best and most free the world has to offer! Yes, I’m European, but I swear that opinion is completely reasoned, unlike the opinions of people from other countries outside Europe who hold the exact same beliefs towards their own countries! No, I’m not a nationalist/chauvinist”

I’m addressing the military expenditure of the EU, how is showing historical evidence of military expenditure of the EU whataboutism? It’s literally the topic we’re talking about. You just don’t want to think about this topic because you’re obviously right in your point of view, so you’re using a thought-terminating line to shut down your brain

these things were not because of some economic power disadvantage or even connected to it

Ok, the conversation is over then, you’re just denying political and economical concepts such as colonialism or industrial development. Can’t have a serious conversation with someone who denies reality.

The Soviet Union lifted 300 million people from feudal poverty and a life expectancy of 30 years, to the second most powerful industrial power on earth, without exploiting the global south in the process. It had GDP growth rates of 10% for decades, and even when growth slowed down the material conditions of people kept improving at a faster pace than the material growth of the country.

Please try to educate yourself on imperialism and colonialism if you give the slightest shit about the billions of exploited of the world.

You could say the same thing about people getting hospitalised at prides about Poland

Yes, Poland is a reactionary hellhole too. Being compared to Poland in gay policy is fucking dire.

is moving in the right direction

I hope you’re right

90% of your comment boils down to “there were better material conditions in a 200-year-old industrial power that leveraged its political, economic and military power to exploit billions of people from the global south and extract their wealth, than in a 50-years-ago-industrialised self-sufficient country without exploitation of the global south”.

Yes, it is hard to buy certain things when your economy doesn’t rely on exploiting 5 south american / African / southeast Asian workers for every person in your country. What do you prefer for the world as a whole? Do you not understand, or do you not care about the billions exploited outside the US in this equation?

You should also keep in mind that the EU is a supra-national federalist construct

It still supports the ongoing genocide in Gaza and supported the invasion of Iraq, the bombing of Yugoslavia, the destruction of Libya, Afghanistan, colonialism in Africa… Seriously, tell me three military interventions done by European countries in the past century that were arguably moral.

if you spin it hard enough any war is a genocide

Not really. Genocide implies an intent to eliminate a given culture or ethnicity, most wars haven’t had that intention, e.g. most civil wars.

Choosing where to stop providing historical context is a deliberate and political choice. Why stop at 1950 and not at 1948-49 South Korea’s extremely violent repression of South Korean socialists? How about we go five years back to when Korea was colonised by Imperial Japan and liberated by Soviet troops, making locals very prone to being socialist but not being allowed in the south thanks to US support?

Wanna go a bit further back? How about South Korea having grassroots socialist uprisings and murdering tens of thousands of socialists between 1948 and 1950? Look up “Jeju uprising”.

Korea, a predominantly agrarian country with very poor conditions, was ripe for a communist revolution after seeing the success of the People’s Liberation Army in China and the Soviet Union in freeing them from Japanese colonialism.

The article doesn’t source literally any of these claims…

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Literally the three examples you brought are wartime extreme measures, either in a war that took the lives of 27 million soviet citizens (WW2) or in a war against absolutism and tsarism in which 17 western countries invaded the RSFSR for the sin of being communist. Funny how you can’t find examples after the situation normalised in the Soviet Union and it stopped being under immediate threat of genocide at the hands of Nazis?

the US currently has 1.8 million incarcerated people. In 1931, there were 2 million in gulags

Sorry, my numbers were off by 10%. Still, we’re comparing the eve of WW2 and the process of collectivisation of land, to a period of relative quiet and global power by the US. Not relevant?

cut in line then stabbed the person

I’ve actually read it, you’re missing the part where the reaction to cutting a line was a slur against trans people, and the part where the dead guy literally started physically assaulting the one with the knife.

The US is literally in a descent to fascism, killing overtly violent and transphobe individuals is a good thing