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Oh have they finally stopped being weird about xinjiang? or at least enough to get vetted or w/e onto the deprogram. like, ive blocked them on socialmedias for being basically a radlib who calls themself progressive (type of sino diaspora whos anti-PRC but still tries to leverage their ‘heritage’ for clout/career) but its been a few years and people can change but id be surprised

Right on. Sorry if I misread what was intended to be voiced from “average centrist” pov, there’s been a ton of ai/tech reactionary buzz even among nominally “communist” circles recently, to the point where I’m even irked when people call generative tools “slop machines” in the same way they say “chinese goods” to insinuate cheap/bad product, when it’s like, that’s what you (or rather, walmart and amazon and they’ve monopolized and limited what alternative options you have) ordered the cheapest crap (for highest markup). Does nobody remember handmade slop content farms like 5minutecrafts? Same “market forces” (if you wanna call it that) are just ordering the same “slop” just from different sources, it’s not like before genai came to wider prominence there was actually that much less “slop” and un-factual/poor quality/misleading content.

um. factories [physical and organizational structures of productive labor] aren’t a “means of oppression”. Capitalists owning them and workers not having control or ownership of the conditions, operations, product etc of them are the “means of oppression”, not the factories themselves. Do we at the 'grad need a rehash of marxism/ML basics…?

I don’t have personal experience here, but something I looked into for myself in the past (and don’t currently have much opportunity to get into atm) as a starting point is workforwater.org – more or less similar advice re:look at prospective career paths specific to what you’re looking for. That website/org seems to have a (nation)wide but not super deep network to help connect mentors, apprenticeships/ish (depending on the role/location), and intern programs, at least for both water utilities and wastewater treatment industry. Either way, it’s a leg up in terms of networking for that specific area. Many of the higher positions require engineering, although I can’t recall if it’s mechanical or civil or either/both.

Just thought to put it out there in case you had some interest in that field, infrastructure might be crumbling in this country but it’s still sorely needed, and will be needed always… so, points for job availability and stability.

Dark factories sounds really awesome (best bet would be mechanical->robotics or electrical??) but unless you plan to leave the US I can’t see heavy or innovative automation getting off the ground here unless it’s under the graces of bezos or musk or their ilk, or a startup looking to eventually get acquired by venture capital (this is an extremely precarious position to be in, startups fail all the time but even when they “succeed” eg get bought out, your position may be eliminated in the acquisition process).

i’ve had people drive in from neighboring [US] states and be absolutely terrified of our urban highway interchanges [texas][many of them also sky-high but not quite this high I don’t think? - for reference, youtube practical engineering-why are texas highway interchanges so tall], imo it (the concern/fear?) is just something you might just be used or unused to

anyway yay for infrastructure 🎉

I didn’t say that “we should agitate people with petit bourgeois aspirations to side with the working class [their real class] via gen ai tools”. I guess I got ahead of myself when I said there already have been efforts to convince artists that gen ai or tech in general isn’t their enemy, corporate monopolization etc of tech however is because capitalists are;; (eg yes there should be said efforts, maybe better/more efforts in that regard. but anti-ai is very entrenched at this point)

However I did point out that these people are, influenced by a combination of (self-circulated and corporate) propaganda and their own petit bourgeois aspiring class interest (resisting acceptance of proletarian status), pitching their weight with our (and their own) class enemies; with gen ai/ai art as the driving wedge at this present moment but any new tech that reshapes the material landscape would be treated similarly – my comment isn’t about ai in particular, rather it’s more about the art community in question.

Or, maybe I wasn’t clear enough? Anti-ai art frenzy in the artist community is being funnelled towards support for harsher ip and trademark laws, by companies who would actually still be using gen ai but want to hoard and control (and expand) “their” datasets. Yes more people on the side of the working class is good but class traitors exist and if these people, after explaining that technology itself isn’t their enemy but capitalists are, still want to be willing pawns then, well, for on,e I have better uses for my time and energy, and yeah I’d agree with m532 they’re “dumbasses”

case in point: this is a project borne of the anti-ai craze: unvale.io ; here’s a tumblr post they circulated (since there’s a sizeable art/artist community on tumblr who are anti-ai) but digging into the replies, people are fully disambiguating the draconian, PG, family friendly TOS and pointing out that posting to their platform makes an oddly convenient place to harvest virgin (un-touched by gen ai tools) and corporate-friendly data. Not everyone looks through the notes however and plenty of people are still reblogging just the first post and “spreading word about an awesome new no-ai platform!!”. Also, lol @ #supportourtroops shit :: no oct 7 or 9/11

*outside of this direct discussion there’s also extreme ableism among the artist anti-ai crowds as well.

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I think the anti- “anti ai artist” sentiment at least online is (or rather should?) be more directed towards the semi-hobbyist to small-business-petit-bourgeois types that pitch their weight with our class enemies, eg will side with stricter intellectual property laws to the point of agreeing that “art style” should be included in trademark/ip law. They also happen to be the loudest crowd when it comes to anti-ai art noise, to the point of also attacking and brigading professional artists who use ai tools. In my observation, the “small business owner” type artists are the most resistant to being proletarianized and act accordingly; in any case, many wage laborer artists also have self-biz hustles like online stores for periodic sketchbook/artbooks/prints (I point this out in a neutral manner not to detract from their primary[assuming] wage income but to color the discussion of petit bourgeois aspirations among the “[digital] artist” community).

I have seen efforts to “convert”/“deprogram” parts of the artist community away from supporting harsher ip laws and explain why Disney or record companies etc benefit the most and supporting harsher ip/etc does not benefit them, and in fact works to empower exploitative schemes of capitalists, but these efforts have a harder time gaining foothold amongst the typical anti-ai/ai art black-and-white views entrenched in the community, especially as call-out and cancellation brigades roll out regularly in those circles.

edit: I dunno if yall were around from deviantart to [idk what platforms certain art communities use anymore][idk artstation?] era but the absolute EASE that online “artists” throw the word “steal/theft” to apply to whatever they didn’t like (petit capitalist mindset where “inspiration” becomes “mimickery” becomes “copying” becomes “stealing” eg “actually deprived me of money”) has been around for decades at this point. I think there are still circles who treat tracing(for practice) and even referencing as untouchable/sacrilege.